Comments for Trinitarian Dance http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com The Trinity gazes at one another in unadulterated love, and invites us to join them, adding a 4th dimension to the Trinitarian Dance. This Blog is where I reflect on the Ministry of the Trinity and how we as Gods people continue to celebrate the Trinitarian Dance. Father, Son, Spirit and Creation. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:19:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Does equating Salvation as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit grieve the Holy Spirit? by robygreg http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/does-equating-salvation-as-the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-grieve-the-holy-spirit/#comment-72 robygreg Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:19:02 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=14#comment-72 oh one other thing Gizmo and those readin this. you mentioned that you was "CHASING AFTER THE WORLD" for 20 yrs.... you are trying to say you was saved but bible scriptures would prove you wasnt at that time.... 1jn 2:15, 1jn 2:3-5; this is the big one 1jn 3:6,9-10. THIS SHOWS THAT ANYONE WHO IS TRUELY CONVERTED CAN AND WILL NOT "CONTINUOUSLY" PRACTICE SIN.. YOUR HEART HAD YOU GOING FOR THE WORLD... your admitting that... a true and converted heart of God will not "CHASE AFTER THE WORLD"... im not saying you will "never" sin but you wll not practice it habitually.... you also said that "GOD spoke to you and said He was waiting for you" well He was waiting for what? waiting for you rto truely repent? so with yoour 4 reasons of why people dont get BAPTIZED IN HOLY SPIRIT i agree with except number 2.. but guess what those are why people dont get TRUELY SAVED PERIOD.. so again salvatin is when a person gets baptized in Holy Spirit.. last comment is this.......why would God save a person but not give him the "power" to live saved... salvation is not just going to heaven.. salvation is having power of the enemy to be able to live in victory over sin and its power on mankind.... we have too many people claiming be saved to get to heaven ,,but live without no proof of saving power now.... in possible to happen.. either your saved or not... and if your saved yop have power over enemy... again... how can those who say your saved with out power of holy spirit, they are false and errouneous.... error leads to deception...GOD BLESS.. oh one other thing Gizmo and those readin this. you mentioned that you was “CHASING AFTER THE WORLD” for 20 yrs…. you are trying to say you was saved but bible scriptures would prove you wasnt at that time…. 1jn 2:15, 1jn 2:3-5; this is the big one 1jn 3:6,9-10. THIS SHOWS THAT ANYONE WHO IS TRUELY CONVERTED CAN AND WILL NOT “CONTINUOUSLY” PRACTICE SIN.. YOUR HEART HAD YOU GOING FOR THE WORLD… your admitting that… a true and converted heart of God will not “CHASE AFTER THE WORLD”… im not saying you will “never” sin but you wll not practice it habitually…. you also said that “GOD spoke to you and said He was waiting for you” well He was waiting for what? waiting for you rto truely repent? so with yoour 4 reasons of why people dont get BAPTIZED IN HOLY SPIRIT i agree with except number 2.. but guess what those are why people dont get TRUELY SAVED PERIOD.. so again salvatin is when a person gets baptized in Holy Spirit.. last comment is this…….why would God save a person but not give him the “power” to live saved… salvation is not just going to heaven.. salvation is having power of the enemy to be able to live in victory over sin and its power on mankind…. we have too many people claiming be saved to get to heaven ,,but live without no proof of saving power now…. in possible to happen.. either your saved or not… and if your saved yop have power over enemy… again… how can those who say your saved with out power of holy spirit, they are false and errouneous…. error leads to deception…GOD BLESS..

]]> Comment on Does equating Salvation as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit grieve the Holy Spirit? by robygreg http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/does-equating-salvation-as-the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-grieve-the-holy-spirit/#comment-71 robygreg Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:07:49 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=14#comment-71 God bless everyone who has spoke on this subject.. i will try to be brief in this explanation mostle pointing ot GRAND GIZMO. thank God you recieved the "baptism of the holy spirit".. i just want to ask you how do you "seperate" that experience from salvation... you say in your article that "the holy spirit baptizm is what Jesus was talking about being born again... HOW CAN ONE BE SAVED WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN. so even in your own admittance you say that batism of Holy Spirit is same thing as salvation or regeneration... AND TO THE OTHER PERSON THAT ASK IS IT SAME THING YES OR NO, the answer is Yes.. you can see in Gizmo article he is contradicting himslef... now how can you be 15 asking for the baptism of Holy Spirt and recieve it at 36 and say you was saved that whole time? so did you earn it? you obviously was still walking in sin with no intentions of "giving whole self" to God... God knows the heart right? so wouldnt He give the Holy Spirit "ONLY" to those who heart is pricked and truley repentative.. so your heart wasnt right until you truel repented and He gave u the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. point being is why you was sitting in the baptise church not knowing of the baptism of the Holy Spirit you was being misled about what "recieving Christ " really meant "biblically". how can someone who does supposley have the Holy Spirit but not know of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. when Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead you to all truth(jn 16:13). my point is Gizmo you wasnt saved until you got baptized with Holy Spirit... now anyone who wants to discuss this with "ONLY SCRIPTURES" im willing to explain in full... just write to me at robygreg@yahoo.com or SaveOurSoulsministries@comcast.net. question to ponder for all... if salvation is seperate from baptism of HOly Spirit then was the people of the 120 who spoke in tongues on penecost all ready born again(received the spirit) in ACTS 2:1-4. in ACTS 10 was cornelus already saved before he got baptised in Holy Spirit in verse 43-46? and in Acts 19:1-6 was those disciples already saved? i think you all know the answer to these questions.. answer is they were not "born again" yet... this was FIRST TIME they recieved the Holy Spirit.. so again we recieve the Holy Spirit at the baptism of Holy Spirit.. God bless God bless everyone who has spoke on this subject.. i will try to be brief in this explanation mostle pointing ot GRAND GIZMO. thank God you recieved the “baptism of the holy spirit”.. i just want to ask you how do you “seperate” that experience from salvation… you say in your article that “the holy spirit baptizm is what Jesus was talking about being born again… HOW CAN ONE BE SAVED WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN. so even in your own admittance you say that batism of Holy Spirit is same thing as salvation or regeneration… AND TO THE OTHER PERSON THAT ASK IS IT SAME THING YES OR NO, the answer is Yes.. you can see in Gizmo article he is contradicting himslef… now how can you be 15 asking for the baptism of Holy Spirt and recieve it at 36 and say you was saved that whole time? so did you earn it? you obviously was still walking in sin with no intentions of “giving whole self” to God… God knows the heart right? so wouldnt He give the Holy Spirit “ONLY” to those who heart is pricked and truley repentative.. so your heart wasnt right until you truel repented and He gave u the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. point being is why you was sitting in the baptise church not knowing of the baptism of the Holy Spirit you was being misled about what “recieving Christ ” really meant “biblically”. how can someone who does supposley have the Holy Spirit but not know of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. when Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead you to all truth(jn 16:13). my point is Gizmo you wasnt saved until you got baptized with Holy Spirit… now anyone who wants to discuss this with “ONLY SCRIPTURES” im willing to explain in full… just write to me at robygreg@yahoo.com or SaveOurSoulsministries@comcast.net.
question to ponder for all… if salvation is seperate from baptism of HOly Spirit then was the people of the 120 who spoke in tongues on penecost all ready born again(received the spirit) in ACTS 2:1-4. in ACTS 10 was cornelus already saved before he got baptised in Holy Spirit in verse 43-46? and in Acts 19:1-6 was those disciples already saved? i think you all know the answer to these questions.. answer is they were not “born again” yet… this was FIRST TIME they recieved the Holy Spirit.. so again we recieve the Holy Spirit at the baptism of Holy Spirit.. God bless

]]> Comment on Does equating Salvation as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit grieve the Holy Spirit? by GrandGizmo http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/does-equating-salvation-as-the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-grieve-the-holy-spirit/#comment-70 GrandGizmo Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:09:51 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=14#comment-70 The problem is that after you receive the Holy Spirit Baptism, and all those amazing things happen - after you feel the wisdom, love and perfection of a Holy Spirit - you forever beat yourself up over one sin sometimes. It is different when you know the truth and do not live the truth. It is much worse than never knowing the truth at all. But, then, I step back and ask forgiveness, and I make sure I am right with God. I also wish to put the believer at peace who has not received the Holy Spirit Baptism. Remember this! It is wise to remember it! God knows when you will surrender everything to Him. He knows when you will be done with your old life. He knows when to hit you, because He knew all things from the beginning of time to the last chapter of this earth. You might ask for the Holy Spirit Baptism, and you may not experience anything for 20 years. The first time I asked at 15, I did not receive it. But, twenty years later - at 36 - I asked again at the darkest time in my life. In short, the Lord spoke to my heart. He told me He had been waiting for me for 20 years. :) I knew why, too, at that moment. Because, I was chasing after this world for those 20 years. Growing up. Learning the hard way. The Lord knew I would be ready only after I had nearly destroyed myself. Sincere tears of repentance. Who say that saved man does not sin? I beg to differ. He may not sin habitually, but we all sin. Let me prove it from the Word of God. "... for though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity" Proverbs 24:16. So, remember, when you fall, my brothers and sisters, rise again, repent and get back on the wagon with Jesus. The wicked never repent and never acknowledge their sin. Amen? The problem is that after you receive the Holy Spirit Baptism, and all those amazing things happen – after you feel the wisdom, love and perfection of a Holy Spirit – you forever beat yourself up over one sin sometimes. It is different when you know the truth and do not live the truth. It is much worse than never knowing the truth at all. But, then, I step back and ask forgiveness, and I make sure I am right with God.

I also wish to put the believer at peace who has not received the Holy Spirit Baptism. Remember this! It is wise to remember it! God knows when you will surrender everything to Him. He knows when you will be done with your old life. He knows when to hit you, because He knew all things from the beginning of time to the last chapter of this earth. You might ask for the Holy Spirit Baptism, and you may not experience anything for 20 years. The first time I asked at 15, I did not receive it. But, twenty years later – at 36 – I asked again at the darkest time in my life. In short, the Lord spoke to my heart. He told me He had been waiting for me for 20 years. :) I knew why, too, at that moment. Because, I was chasing after this world for those 20 years. Growing up. Learning the hard way. The Lord knew I would be ready only after I had nearly destroyed myself. Sincere tears of repentance.

Who say that saved man does not sin? I beg to differ. He may not sin habitually, but we all sin. Let me prove it from the Word of God. “… for though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity” Proverbs 24:16. So, remember, when you fall, my brothers and sisters, rise again, repent and get back on the wagon with Jesus. The wicked never repent and never acknowledge their sin. Amen?

]]> Comment on Does equating Salvation as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit grieve the Holy Spirit? by Craig Bennett http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/does-equating-salvation-as-the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-grieve-the-holy-spirit/#comment-69 Craig Bennett Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:08:37 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=14#comment-69 Hi Nihal, the simple answer is no! Hi Nihal, the simple answer is no!

]]> Comment on About Me by Craig Bennett http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/about/#comment-68 Craig Bennett Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:06:18 +0000 #comment-68 Hi Nihal - I suppose it could be, though I wouldn't preach it from that passage. Hi Nihal – I suppose it could be, though I wouldn’t preach it from that passage.

]]> Comment on About Me by Nihal Uduwara http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/about/#comment-67 Nihal Uduwara Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:12:06 +0000 #comment-67 Dear Brother, I Would be thankful if you could answer the following which would help to improve my knowledge Q - Ref Matthew 26:24- Good if Judas was not born....Isn't this saying applicable for all those people who die without being saved? Dear Brother,

I Would be thankful if you could answer the following which would help to improve my knowledge

Q – Ref Matthew 26:24- Good if Judas was not born….Isn’t this saying applicable for all those people who die without being saved?

]]> Comment on Does equating Salvation as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit grieve the Holy Spirit? by Nihal Uduwara http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/does-equating-salvation-as-the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-grieve-the-holy-spirit/#comment-66 Nihal Uduwara Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:07:47 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=14#comment-66 Can somebody say in simple form whether Salvation/Regeneration and Baptism in Holy Spirit is same? Yes or No Blessings Nihal Uduwara from Sri Lanka Can somebody say in simple form whether Salvation/Regeneration and Baptism in Holy Spirit is same?
Yes or No

Blessings
Nihal Uduwara
from
Sri Lanka

]]> Comment on Does equating Salvation as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit grieve the Holy Spirit? by GrandGizmo http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/does-equating-salvation-as-the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-grieve-the-holy-spirit/#comment-65 GrandGizmo Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:46:17 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=14#comment-65 I - myself - have had the Holy Spirit Baptism. It changed me forever. I never knew what it was, but I was shown in Luke Chapter 11 how we can ask for the Holy Spirit. I did at one of the most darkest times of my life. It changed many things about me. Some things I use to like, I don't like any longer. I once drank, and I no longer drank. I once did cocaine, but I no longer do cocaine. I can tell anyone that this is a true experience. This is coming from someone who was raised in a Baptist church and never was taught about the Holy Spirit Baptism, but it happened to me. This is coming from a person who was always told it was only an experience for the time of Christ, but it happened to me. It amazes me how people don't know of this experience, and they seem to pass by the Book of Acts Holy Spirit experiences like they were only for those people. This is not true. Peter says the Holy Spirit Baptism is for your children and your children's children. So, after I received the Holy Spirit Baptism, I discovered there were few Christians with which to discuss my experience. Salvation is not the Holy Spirit Baptism. Salvation is accepting Jesus as the Christ and Lord into your life and repenting of your sins. The Holy Spirit Baptism is a communion with God between the spirit of man. I have contemplated many times as to why people rarely get the Holy Spirit Baptism, and I have come to some conclusions. 1.) They never ask sincerely for it. 2.) The Holy Spirit is like the wind and goes to and fro and He may come to you when He knows you most need Him. 3.)Most people do not understand what sincere repentance is. I cried in tears of anxious, and I repented in true sincerity. It was so sincere that I knew it was, and God knew I was sincere, too. 4.) Most people ask forgiveness for their sins, but they do not have tearful repentance like King David and many other prophets in the Bible. God knows my heart. Since I received the Holy Spirit Baptism, I never received it again, but I have been cleaned out. Once a liar, no longer a liar. Once a thief, no longer a thief. Once a fornicator, no longer a fornicator. Once an adulterer, no longer an adulterer. I am speaking of habitual sin. Not sins few and far between. We all have those. Anyway, yes, it's a true experience. It changed me forever. This is what Jesus meant when he told Nicodemus about being Born Again. Just thought I'd share. I – myself – have had the Holy Spirit Baptism. It changed me forever. I never knew what it was, but I was shown in Luke Chapter 11 how we can ask for the Holy Spirit. I did at one of the most darkest times of my life. It changed many things about me. Some things I use to like, I don’t like any longer. I once drank, and I no longer drank. I once did cocaine, but I no longer do cocaine. I can tell anyone that this is a true experience. This is coming from someone who was raised in a Baptist church and never was taught about the Holy Spirit Baptism, but it happened to me. This is coming from a person who was always told it was only an experience for the time of Christ, but it happened to me. It amazes me how people don’t know of this experience, and they seem to pass by the Book of Acts Holy Spirit experiences like they were only for those people. This is not true. Peter says the Holy Spirit Baptism is for your children and your children’s children. So, after I received the Holy Spirit Baptism, I discovered there were few Christians with which to discuss my experience. Salvation is not the Holy Spirit Baptism. Salvation is accepting Jesus as the Christ and Lord into your life and repenting of your sins. The Holy Spirit Baptism is a communion with God between the spirit of man. I have contemplated many times as to why people rarely get the Holy Spirit Baptism, and I have come to some conclusions. 1.) They never ask sincerely for it. 2.) The Holy Spirit is like the wind and goes to and fro and He may come to you when He knows you most need Him. 3.)Most people do not understand what sincere repentance is. I cried in tears of anxious, and I repented in true sincerity. It was so sincere that I knew it was, and God knew I was sincere, too. 4.) Most people ask forgiveness for their sins, but they do not have tearful repentance like King David and many other prophets in the Bible. God knows my heart. Since I received the Holy Spirit Baptism, I never received it again, but I have been cleaned out. Once a liar, no longer a liar. Once a thief, no longer a thief. Once a fornicator, no longer a fornicator. Once an adulterer, no longer an adulterer. I am speaking of habitual sin. Not sins few and far between. We all have those. Anyway, yes, it’s a true experience. It changed me forever. This is what Jesus meant when he told Nicodemus about being Born Again. Just thought I’d share.

]]> Comment on The Ephesians 5 Fold Ministry Gifts by Gi Ried http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/the-ephesians-5-fold-ministry-gifts/#comment-64 Gi Ried Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:49 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-64 I do not know a pastor that does not have the gift of a teacher, but I know lots of teachers who do not have the gift of a pastor. I do not know a pastor that does not have the gift of a teacher, but I know lots of teachers who do not have the gift of a pastor.

]]> Comment on The Character and Nature of Prayer by paarsurrey http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/the-character-and-nature-of-prayer/#comment-63 paarsurrey Wed, 21 May 2008 04:28:07 +0000 http://trinitariandance.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/the-character-and-nature-of-prayer/#comment-63 Quote from the write-up above: [“The Practice of Prayer”. It is my aim to show that the practice of prayer is the only means through which we can truly glorify God.] Hi I agree with you that from man's side practice of prayer is a very strong tool to link man with our GodAllahYHWH. It is for this reason that we Ahmadi peaceful Muslims pray five times a day to glorify GodAllahYHWH. Jesus also used to pray to GodAllahYHWH his creator (metaphorically Father) like he prayed to Him in the garden to save his life on the Cross. GodAllahYHWH did hear hus upplications and saved him a cursed death of Cross. After the incident of Crucifixion Jesus decided to go in exile to Indian, where he spent his life respectfully and later died there natually. Thanks Please visit my blog for more details or questions in this connection. I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim Quote from the write-up above:
[“The Practice of Prayer”. It is my aim to show that the practice of prayer is the only means through which we can truly glorify God.]

Hi

I agree with you that from man’s side practice of prayer is a very strong tool to link man with our GodAllahYHWH.

It is for this reason that we Ahmadi peaceful Muslims pray five times a day to glorify GodAllahYHWH.
Jesus also used to pray to GodAllahYHWH his creator (metaphorically Father) like he prayed to Him in the garden to save his life on the Cross. GodAllahYHWH did hear hus upplications and saved him a cursed death of Cross. After the incident of Crucifixion Jesus decided to go in exile to Indian, where he spent his life respectfully and later died there natually.

Thanks

Please visit my blog for more details or questions in this connection.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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